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	<title>Comments on: id Software has abandoned Linux?</title>
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		<title>By: darkranger</title>
		<link>http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/14086/comment-page-1#comment-329926</link>
		<dc:creator>darkranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 04:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I told you so:
http://ttimo.vox.com/library/post/id-software-and-linux.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I told you so:<br />
<a href="http://ttimo.vox.com/library/post/id-software-and-linux.html" rel="nofollow">http://ttimo.vox.com/library/post/id-software-and-linux.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: dorpsgek</title>
		<link>http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/14086/comment-page-1#comment-329905</link>
		<dc:creator>dorpsgek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Talking about quake live.

Why can&#039;t i modify permanent seta s_alsa_pcm &quot;default&quot; in qzconfig into seta s_alsa_pcm &quot;plughw:0&quot;

Every new login, this is overwritten.

When you want 100 of thousands linux users, don&#039;t cripple them with crackling sound and let them modify it when the game is started.

Also putting seta s_alsa_pcm &quot;plughw:0&quot; into autoexec.cfg doesn&#039;t work, you have no sound.

Btw, nice to play quake3 ...................  allready bought the tin box years agao.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking about quake live.</p>
<p>Why can&#8217;t i modify permanent seta s_alsa_pcm &#8220;default&#8221; in qzconfig into seta s_alsa_pcm &#8220;plughw:0&#8243;</p>
<p>Every new login, this is overwritten.</p>
<p>When you want 100 of thousands linux users, don&#8217;t cripple them with crackling sound and let them modify it when the game is started.</p>
<p>Also putting seta s_alsa_pcm &#8220;plughw:0&#8243; into autoexec.cfg doesn&#8217;t work, you have no sound.</p>
<p>Btw, nice to play quake3 &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.  allready bought the tin box years agao.</p>
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		<title>By: nod51</title>
		<link>http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/14086/comment-page-1#comment-329904</link>
		<dc:creator>nod51</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In reply to 13:
Sorry for not explaining why free drivers are not the same as buying Windows.

quote: &quot;If you are restricted to it only working on the
closed source drivers, you might as well boot into windows and get the
fully tested and tuned experience…&quot;
I can get the closed source drivers for free, thus my question about getting Windows for free.

So in comparison to the Wii (aka driver) vs PS3 (aka Windows):
&quot;If you are restricted to a free Wii, you might as well buy a PS3 and get the full experience&quot;
So now the Wii game costs X, but the PS3 game costs PS3+X.
So if (prices and disk usage are guesses so please correct me if I am wrong):
Rage costs $60, takes 6gb disk
Windows 7 costs $200 takes 15gb disk
then:
Rage costs me $260 and takes up 21gb of my (future) 30gb SSD, though to be honest I couldn&#039;t afford the SSD and better video card if I had to spend $260 on a single game. So I guess it DOES comes with Windows, but not free like the closed source drivers do.

Now on the other hand if they made a boot-able DVD that runs Linux/BSD with the closed source drivers that saves data to a USB flash drive, then some of the Windows people would complain they don&#039;t have a USB flash drive and the game should come with one... free.

Everyone has a copy of Linux, some just choose not to download and install it.


In reply to: 10-12
If that is truly you John Carnack, thanks for taking the time to read my post, sorry if it offended you, I was just trying to state I don&#039;t have or intend to buy Windows*, which means I will not be able to play Rage (yeah I could still buy it for the box). Heck if I wanted to make a living with games, I would try making iPhone games, and I don&#039;t even have an iPhone or any desire to get one. I understand your reason for not committing to a Linux version, and I hope you understand why 2 of my friends and I will not be playing Rage.


On another note:
After thinking about the post more and reading comments for a few days:
1) push Quake Live, possibly get some users, made me sign up, but have yet to play (playing too much HoN).
2) fire up the open source graphic driver developers to get things working. I have seen some good things on the way but still lots of room for improvement, I hope they get really upset at that open source drivers are crap comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to 13:<br />
Sorry for not explaining why free drivers are not the same as buying Windows.</p>
<p>quote: &#8220;If you are restricted to it only working on the<br />
closed source drivers, you might as well boot into windows and get the<br />
fully tested and tuned experience…&#8221;<br />
I can get the closed source drivers for free, thus my question about getting Windows for free.</p>
<p>So in comparison to the Wii (aka driver) vs PS3 (aka Windows):<br />
&#8220;If you are restricted to a free Wii, you might as well buy a PS3 and get the full experience&#8221;<br />
So now the Wii game costs X, but the PS3 game costs PS3+X.<br />
So if (prices and disk usage are guesses so please correct me if I am wrong):<br />
Rage costs $60, takes 6gb disk<br />
Windows 7 costs $200 takes 15gb disk<br />
then:<br />
Rage costs me $260 and takes up 21gb of my (future) 30gb SSD, though to be honest I couldn&#8217;t afford the SSD and better video card if I had to spend $260 on a single game. So I guess it DOES comes with Windows, but not free like the closed source drivers do.</p>
<p>Now on the other hand if they made a boot-able DVD that runs Linux/BSD with the closed source drivers that saves data to a USB flash drive, then some of the Windows people would complain they don&#8217;t have a USB flash drive and the game should come with one&#8230; free.</p>
<p>Everyone has a copy of Linux, some just choose not to download and install it.</p>
<p>In reply to: 10-12<br />
If that is truly you John Carnack, thanks for taking the time to read my post, sorry if it offended you, I was just trying to state I don&#8217;t have or intend to buy Windows*, which means I will not be able to play Rage (yeah I could still buy it for the box). Heck if I wanted to make a living with games, I would try making iPhone games, and I don&#8217;t even have an iPhone or any desire to get one. I understand your reason for not committing to a Linux version, and I hope you understand why 2 of my friends and I will not be playing Rage.</p>
<p>On another note:<br />
After thinking about the post more and reading comments for a few days:<br />
1) push Quake Live, possibly get some users, made me sign up, but have yet to play (playing too much HoN).<br />
2) fire up the open source graphic driver developers to get things working. I have seen some good things on the way but still lots of room for improvement, I hope they get really upset at that open source drivers are crap comment.</p>
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		<title>By: dholm</title>
		<link>http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/14086/comment-page-1#comment-329903</link>
		<dc:creator>dholm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Anonymous:
Do you also expect PS3 games to be shipped with a PS3 or Wii games to be shipped with a Nintendo Wii?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anonymous:<br />
Do you also expect PS3 games to be shipped with a PS3 or Wii games to be shipped with a Nintendo Wii?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/14086/comment-page-1#comment-329902</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 05:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Responses failed to post. Have a nice day, webmaster.

Sincerily,
 John Carnack]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Responses failed to post. Have a nice day, webmaster.</p>
<p>Sincerily,<br />
 John Carnack</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/14086/comment-page-1#comment-329901</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 05:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, John Carnack here to answer your questions.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;code&gt;1. nod51 Says: 
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:35 am 

Does this mean it will come with a copy of windows, because I don]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, John Carnack here to answer your questions.</p>
<blockquote><p>
<code>1. nod51 Says:<br />
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:35 am </p>
<p>Does this mean it will come with a copy of windows, because I don</code></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/14086/comment-page-1#comment-329900</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 05:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, John Carnack here to answer your questions.

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;The beautiful Beautiful People&quot;&gt;
&lt;code&gt;1. nod51 Says: 
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:35 am 

Does this mean it will come with a copy of windows, because I don]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, John Carnack here to answer your questions.</p>
<blockquote cite="The beautiful Beautiful People"><p>
<code>1. nod51 Says:<br />
August 23rd, 2009 at 12:35 am </p>
<p>Does this mean it will come with a copy of windows, because I don</code></p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: daturan</title>
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		<dc:creator>daturan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hey I&#039;ll bet &quot;rage live&quot; will be out in no time ; )  + I&#039;m having a blast playing jumpNbump, xmoto with my kids]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey I&#8217;ll bet &#8220;rage live&#8221; will be out in no time ; )  + I&#8217;m having a blast playing jumpNbump, xmoto with my kids</p>
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		<title>By: Andre4s</title>
		<link>http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/14086/comment-page-1#comment-329897</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre4s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sad but probebly quite &quot;expected&quot;. Good will can&#039;t last forever. They do not have unlimited resources to spend on supporting smaller platforms. 

But is it not strange? You write a engine and a renderer but still the game look diffrent on diffrent platforms with diffrent drivers? Game development API&#039;s have to be a mess?! I mean. You write one pice of code. Open GL/DirextX or whatever. The result should in my world look the same everywhere. but no!! as it seems. 

And no, I do not have any experience with game API&#039;s. I am just reading what other people say.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad but probebly quite &#8220;expected&#8221;. Good will can&#8217;t last forever. They do not have unlimited resources to spend on supporting smaller platforms. </p>
<p>But is it not strange? You write a engine and a renderer but still the game look diffrent on diffrent platforms with diffrent drivers? Game development API&#8217;s have to be a mess?! I mean. You write one pice of code. Open GL/DirextX or whatever. The result should in my world look the same everywhere. but no!! as it seems. </p>
<p>And no, I do not have any experience with game API&#8217;s. I am just reading what other people say.</p>
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		<title>By: berarma</title>
		<link>http://www.linuxgames.com/archives/14086/comment-page-1#comment-329896</link>
		<dc:creator>berarma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He&#039;s pretty intelligent, he never announced the Linux ports in advance for any of the other titles, he&#039;s always said the same. He&#039;s hinting to the Linux community so we help build Quake Live success in exchange. I think he deserves our support, he&#039;s releasing the source code for every engine they&#039;re developing, they&#039;re building a big Linux game scene in the genre. Anyway, I won&#039;t buy Rage until there&#039;s a Linux version since I can&#039;t play it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s pretty intelligent, he never announced the Linux ports in advance for any of the other titles, he&#8217;s always said the same. He&#8217;s hinting to the Linux community so we help build Quake Live success in exchange. I think he deserves our support, he&#8217;s releasing the source code for every engine they&#8217;re developing, they&#8217;re building a big Linux game scene in the genre. Anyway, I won&#8217;t buy Rage until there&#8217;s a Linux version since I can&#8217;t play it.</p>
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